rafferty subaru : Which is better for the USA economically for me to buy; a Canadianmade Chrysler (e.g. Concorde) or an American made Toyota (e.g. Camry)?-- Tim Kloth Lucent Technologies Naperville, Illinois USA ---------------------------------------- ----------------You can have it Fast, Good or Cheap -- PICK TWO!I may be wrong in my logic here, so be warned! Say for each car made,the workers (collectively) make 5% of the dealer cost[1]. The rest goesto the company. So the question boils down to: Do you want Americanworkers to reap 5%, or do you want an American company to reap 95%? I'mnot an economist (nor do I play one on Usenet!), but my personal feelingis that the lesser of two evils would be for the American company to reap95%, in the hopes that it would better the economy.Having said that and all things being equal, the ideal situation is tobuy an American car made in America.[1] I have no idea how (in)accurate that figure is, I'm just using it forthe sake of argument.---------------------------------------- -------------------------------------Kir k Rafferty ######################################## ##Lewan and Associates, Denver CO # A cynic is an idealist ################# ###### who's tired #######################Opinions expressed are mine only # ########## (heard on the net) ##########------------------------------ ---------------------------------------- -------Mr. Rafferty,Your logic flows well and offers a new point of view to most people...I too would like to offer a different point of view to complement existingstances on the "buy American" issue. Having said that, I hope readersthat are hardcore Ford fans that purposely make themselves ignorant to newviews won't flame me...but if they are so inclined, please email me. The Toyota plant(s) in the U.S. provide(s) jobs for thousands of Americanworkers. So buying a Camry built in Kentucky, for example, supportsthousands of people and their families. There is a fine line betweenchoosing between a Camry and a Taurus when speaking in terms of theeconomy. I guess I agree that the -best- thing to do is buy American-madeAmerican cars; but again, you cannot ignore the Foreign corporations thatoperate and employ in the U.S. The international market is a two-waystreak. We may exclaim "buy American!", but what if India, for instance,says "buy Indian?"
rafferty subaru : From: ()Subject: Re: Which is better for US? Newsgroups: , , , , Date: 1996/10/02 Kirk Rafferty wrote:It's a moot point anyway, depending on the state of the economy a few years from now, Canada is going to become part of the US, or vice versa. ;-)Add to the equation the fact that some of the foreign car companies are ownedin part or whole by American companies, and what do you get then? The answerthat you shouldn't care where the vehicle was made, only whether it meets yourneeds and will continue to do so for as long as you plan on owning it.Competition is good for everyone.I never realized it until tonight, but until 1990, Subaru Of America was anAMERICAN company that happened to sell Japanese-made cars. The profitsfrom the sales stayed in this country; the profits from the manufacturingwent to Japan. In 1990, Fuji Heavy Industries bought out the majority ofSOA that they didn't own already (SOA had been formed by two Philadelphians,one of whom was Malcolm Bricklin - Is this the same Bricklin of the Canadiensports car?)--+--------------------+---------------- -----------------------------------++--- -----------------+---------------------- -----------------------------+I won't argue your point that you should only care if the car meets yourneeds. If that's your only concern, then fine. But the poster wants toknow what purchase will help the US more, as well as (presumably) whatmeets his needs.
rafferty subaru : Personally I buy American because (a) it's good for the US and (b) there'snot a considerable amount of difference between comparable US and foreignvehicles. Then there's (c) which is, when it comes to sports cars I can'tsee myself in anything but a Mustang. ;-)---------------------------------------- -------------------------------------Kir k Rafferty ######################################## ##Lewan and Associates, Denver CO # A cynic is an idealist ################# ###### who's tired #######################Opinions expressed are mine only # ########## (heard on the net) ##########------------------------------ ---------------------------------------- -------I understood that - my points were that a) he shouldn't worry so much abouthelping the US, and b) he might help the US more by buying foreign.--+--------------------+---------------- -----------------------------------++--- -----------------+---------------------- -----------------------------+I disagree with a). There's nothing wrong, and almost everything rightwith a little concept called patriotism. I hate to sound like a spokesmanfor <insert ultra-conservative group here>, but there is nothing wrongwith wanting to support your country. That doesn't seem very fashionableright now, but it's not wrong. So if he or anyone else wants to "worryso much about helping the US" then I say kudos. If you don't want tosupport the US, well it's a free country.As far as b) goes, it's relative. Sure, buying a foreign car made bydomestic workers helps the US economy better than buying a foreign carmade by foreign workers. But, to paraphrase another poster, you can'tget more domestic than buying a Mustang in Dearborne. And I'll say thisagain (in case someone out there isn't tired of hearing it :), in 1996equivelant makes of domestic automobiles are, overall, no better or worsethan foreign.
rafferty subaru : ---------------------------------------- -------------------------------------Kir k Rafferty ######################################## ##Lewan and Associates, Denver CO # A cynic is an idealist ################# ###### who's tired #######################Opinions expressed are mine only # ########## (heard on the net) ##########------------------------------ ---------------------------------------- -------If you are an American why would you *not* care about helping the US. Ifyou are an American and you dont care about helping your own countrythen there is something seriously wrong with you. You dont have toalways buy an American car to help your country but you should alwayscare. I myself own a foreign car but I dont think that they are anybetter than comparable American cars. I dont buy cars based onreliability like most people do, styling and performance are mostimportant to me.Kirk Rafferty wrote:stockholders - the biggest of which are usually mutual funds or retirement plans(401Ks etc.). So IMHO the real question on the 'company side' becomes what is the true distribution of stock 'ownership' by country. Probably impossible to determine since a US fund can buy Toyota shares & and Japanese citizen can invest in that same US fund! To complicate things further, a US auto maker's retirement plan money may be invested in mutual funds which own large blocks of Japanese automaker stocks!
rafferty subaru : Is it difficult to find a dealer in PA or NJ (or DE, Washington DC, MDor VA) that makes you feel comfortable?I must be putting out the wrong vibes because most of the dealers I'veseen are: 1) desperate to sell a car, and at the same time 2) ready totake me "for a ride".So far I've felt comfortable at Cherry Hill Subaru (New Jersey), butthey don't yet have an Impreza Coupe RS with the package I'm lookingfor (recently off the boat, w/ right color, and sound & securitypackages but sans port-installed stripes).Tonight a dealer in PA told me he was out of cars that matched mycriteria, but he would put in an order for one if I gave him the go-ahead TONIGHT!!!!! (ITS GOTTA BE TONIGHT! the 27th of March) He saidthis is the last day this month I can order, and I'd have to wait untilthe next month (I guess that means next week) to order anything later.Is that true?He said that it would be six weeks until the car was delivered if Iordered TONIGHT! Is that true?In looking around local dealers I saw a newly delivered (same day) carwith the VIN of JF1GM6754YG402545 that was assembled in DEC 1999 [itsold within 14 days]. It was more than 9 weeks old at the time. Giventhis, is it realistic to expect a car to be delivered in 6 weeks? Orcould the waiting stretch out 9 months? :^ |
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