subaru outback : Where do people get the idea that the Outback is not a capable off-roaduse vehicle? Yes, it is not the vehicle to drive on the Rubicon with andit cannot take VERY HEAVY off road use. It is not intended for it. It isabsolutely capable of off road use to the same degree that most SUV ownersuse the off road capabilities of their vehicles. It is intended for lightto moderate off road duty while maintaining a comfortable ride on theroad. It is intended to fill the void in the auto market where a normalsedan or wagon stops, and an SUV's start. The majority of the people whobuy SUV's never need the true off road or no-road capability of thevehicle, they buy it for the safety and the all-weather capability. Manyof them never see more "off road" than going to the ski lodge. Subarusells cars to its longtime loyal customers, and to people who arerealizing that they want a more comfortable riding, lower cost, vehiclesthat provide the same all weather capabilty of an SUV. The Subaru Outbackseries is that niche. I bought my Outback Sport because it has greathandling, a good ride, and AWD. It is great on snow, wet pavement, anddirt roads, and has enough ride height for most applications people willneed it for. The Legacy Outback has more ground clearance than theExplorer, and the Outback Sport has better ride and handling than theRAV4.
subaru outback : As for just dressing up a sedan and calling it a SUV (Actually Subarucalls them Sport Utility Wagons) what do you think alot of the new SUVsare? Honda CRV is Accord based and I think the RAV4 is based on the Camryor Corolla (I could be wrong). Yes they look like a truck but inassessing of road capability and durability, what does the body of the carhave to do with it? Isn't it the mechanical parts that are the mostimportant? All the Subaru's needed was an adjustment in ground clearanceand an increase in tire size. They already were AWD, durable vehicles.(Alright, the old ones rusted out, but they still started after the bodyhad fallen off)Subaru sells to a niche market. They need to entice people into theirniche market so they grab the fringe of the SUV people who want an AWDvehicle that they can go skiing, camping, fishing etc.. with and yet is acomfortable way to drive to work everyday rain or shine or snow. Thiswill probably solicit many responses from people who feel that their SUV'sride great and feel fine, but they do not ride like a car, and this iswhat many of the people who buy the Outbacks are looking for.
subaru outback : I have never brought a non-Big 3 auto before, and I am considering theSubaru Outback wagon with the All-Weather Package vs. a Toyota RAV4 AWD withthe 'L' Package. I expect to keep my vehicle 5-6 years, and I travelapproximately 20K miles a year on businessTwo of my biggest concerns is that the nearest Subaru dealer is over 35+miles away and has no Saturday service hours, and the other is resale value.In addition, I would like to have my expectations correctly set regarding'common' problems based on current Outback and Subaru owners; especiallythose that happen 3 - 5 years in ownership. Also has anyone purchased theSubaru Extended Warranty; if so how much were you able to negotiate from theprice (I am interested in the 6yr / 100K).I strongly encourage you to read up on the Toyota: I think you will NOT behappy unless ride quality means little to you. I have two 99 Foresters andboth my wife and I love them. Ride is fantastic for this size vehicle, poweris excellent, handling can't be beat, and at least front seat comfort isVERY GOOD, in my opinion. I think the Forester is superior to the Outback,personally, but that may be matter of taste and convenience. Seems roomier,with more head room, better view of surroundings. Power is a bit better,considering the fact that the Outback has about 300-400 more pounds tocarry, but they have the same engine. The S-model Forester has 16" alloywheels and looks very sharp, rides well. We get about 21 mpg for shorttripping, and 26-27 on the highway, even running about 75 mph. Whether yougo for the Outback OR the Forester, you will be happy, I believe. I don'tthink the RAV4 will come close. By the way: SUBARU AWD is the real deal.They have worked out the bugs better than anyone, according to many folks Ihave talked to.
subaru outback : /\ /\_ _/\ o _ / \ _ _ /\__ <-#-< _ / \ /\__ _ _()=%=()_ _ / \_ /\_ \__/\____"Mike" wrote in message...The subaru platform is also made only for AWD systems not a fWD converted toAWD.The subaru uses a Boxer engine, which helps to distribute the weight to therear, lower center of gravity, low vibration (helps with longevity) easy tosee over and helps in crashes, and decreases the likelihood of rollover.There are two different plans, added security classic and gold plus, Thegold plus covers almost everything but wear items and routine service.Pricing for the two is $1000-$1500 last I checked.Put a Subaru and a RAV back to back with a tow package and the Subie willpull the RAV!!!I'm on my third subie (previous two lasted at least 165,000 miles withvery low maintenance. My last got killed in a head on with a jeep (Ihad seatbelt on and escaped with minor bruises. Engine in front of cardid its job according to subie design and protected my ass. I currenltyown a 2001 OBW with std 5 spd and winter package with about 2100 mileson it. Currently, I'm getting about 22 to 25 mpg, combo city/country (Ilive in Washington D.C. and drive mostly on belway). I got the stdwagon which gives you about 2 more inches of headroom (Blasted moonroofseems to require about 2 inches of headroom). I am 6'1" and find thecar extremely comfortable. I got the OBW because I need the longerprofile to store my boat cushions. I would suggest trying to test drivethose models you are interested in to get a better "feel" for the car. I got the gold extened package and it cost me about $900 with nodeductable. Cost of extend warrenties will depend upon what sizedeductable you chose. I didn't really haggle about price as I intend tokeep car for at least 10 years. I had my previous subies for at least10 years each. One thing you will find about subie owners is that theytend to drive their cars into ground. 6 years is looked upon as justbreaking in your car. Subie's longevity is legend and I can personnalyattest to that fact.
subaru outback : There's not much which can be said for the 35+ mile distance of yoursubie dealership. However, you might be able to find a local authorizedservice center closer to you.I bought the exact same car as Dave below (with about the same mileage andmpg) and am very satisfied. By all accounts, the mileage gets better oncethe car has 10,000 miles on it. One thing I wouldn't recommend is theextended warranty. Statistically, the warranty cost is always more than youare likely to spend on repairs ... otherwise the dealers would not anyprofit on the extended warranty. Also, with the Subie's excellentreliability, why bother?I have the very first Outback (95) and although I didn't own it from new, Iwish I did. :)It is, by far, the best car I've ever had. So far it's beating the pantsoff the American cars I've owned - the used Americans had to be fixed after3-4 months of ownership - all I've put into the Outback is oil, gas, and anew battery (for easier cold starts).Take the Outback off-road. I think you'll be very pleased with it'sperformance. Even though it's really a tall car, it gets you through almostanything. As far as longevity, I've heard Subarus will do 300,000+ mileswith proper care and lots of love. :)
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