van bortel subaru : Tell them there are WRXs out there with no AC problems. Therefore the system CAN work. Presumably yours worked at one point too. I would take the line that you don't CARE why it doesn't work. You're not a mechanic. You're a customer who bought a car with a warrantee. If the AC in your car is "not repairable", make sure they are well aware of what colour you would like your replacement WRX in.Yup LEMON LAW that sucker, they have 3 tries to get it right or its NEW CARTIME!!!!!!!"Cam Penner" wrote in message ...I am in Rochester, too. Got mine at Van Bortel also. I am sorry to hearthat they are giving you the run around (and I think that's what it is)about your air. I absolutely loved getting my car there. But, let's faceit.....they are a car dealer.Don't let them give you the brush off.......keep after them and write toSubaru. I would not let them tell me about a "known issue" and make medrive away with no more of an explanation. They have a loaner car dealthere......try and make them get one to last until they fix your car. Makenoise in the show room, talk directly to Kitty, get it documented that youHAD this problem before the warranty ran out (if it takes that long), andwhatever you do, don't give up.
van bortel subaru : I'm planning to do my negotiations with a dealer on Monday to get a new 2001Ouback Wagon (Base model). I've been reading a lot on Edmunds, and I feelthat I'm prepared for the challenge. The only thing I am still not sureabout is what my initial offer should be. I already received Internet quotesfrom three dealerships in town, and they are all below Edmund's TMV price.However, having learned about Holdback and Dealer Cash, I wonder if I shouldactually try to get below invoice price on a 2001 Subaru.Now my questions:1. Has anyone here bought a 2001 Ouback Wagon recently, and if yes, howclose to the invoice price were you able to get?2. Was anyone able to use Dealer Cash (Manufacturer-to-Dealer Incentive) topersuade the dealer that he/she is still making money on the car even ifthey sell it to you at invoice.3. Has anyone tried to use Holdback (it's 3% of total MSRP) to get the priceeven below the invoice? Supposedly, dealers will still make about $700 --$750 even if they sell you an Outback Wagon at $300 below invoice. Ofcourse, it depends on how long the car has been on the dealer's lot. If ithas been there for over 90 days, the dealer will not make anything on theHoldback. But if the car arrived just a few days before you bought it, thedealer is going to make around $700 just on the Holdback.4. What is a reasonable amount of money I should allow the dealer to make onthe sale? Some books say it's $300-$500 over the dealer's cost. If this isthe case, I should be able to get an Ouback for at least $400 below invoice.
van bortel subaru : If anyone has any information, please share it with me. This is going to bemy first new car, and I need all the help I can get.SergeThe local Subaru dealer in Greensboro NC has an ad in Sunday's (June17,2001) paper stating"All Outback Legacy's $1000 below invoice" + new 2002 Forester retail22.450 for 18872.I just bought a new Outback Limited Wagon and I paid exactly invoice. I knowthat the dealer made holdback and at least $300 in dealer cash. I also knowthat I have a ride to work anytime I bring the car in. I also know that Imight have gotten another $250 off the deal, but over the lifetime ofownership, it just isn't worth fighting for. This dealer sold 73 Subarus lastmonth and he has a beautiful new facility. His service dept. is immaculate andthe dealer is less than five miles from my work. I am happy.Irwin Goldberg....pianist, conductor.I think the Outback wagon is a great car, especially the L.L. Bean H6-3.0that I test drove before I purchased my WRX Sport Wagon. In fact, I testdrove just about everything my dealer had on his lot that day! Hell, Imean... I had never driven a Subaru before, so I had to try out all of thedifferent models. What I learned that day is that Subaru makes a damn fineautomobile.
van bortel subaru : By conventional wisdom, a negotiation was considered to have beensuccessful if - at its end - neither party was completely satisfied. Soundsto me, though, that things are even better if - at the end of anegotiation - both parties are happy with the result.Congratulations on your new set of wheels."Fredisg" wrote in message...I just bought my Outback Wagon (base, with automatic) this past Friday,after a week of checking out various dealers in the Philadelphia area.On the exact same car (no options except the auto tranny), I got pricesfrom $22,800 to $21,000 (sticker price was $24K+). I bought it for$21,300, paying the extra $300 to buy from the local dealer (rather thanthe cheaper dealer 20 miles away). I saw the invoice on the car, and theprice I got is invoice minus holdback minus a bit more. I didn'taggressively pursue any of the cheaper prices, merely made it known tothe dealers what price I had already been quoted. I shopped around moreto get a feel for the area Subaru dealers than to get the lowest price,but it was a happy by-product. Note that I didn't have anything inwriting, but merely told the dealer I bought from that I had a pricefrom XX Subaru for $21,000, and if they could match it I'd buy it fromthem right then. They came close, and I bought it. Do your homework, getsome local prices, and then go back to the dealer you want to buy fromand be ready to buy right then if they match or beat your price (and letthem know that you will buy on the spot).
van bortel subaru : The dealer I bought it from has A LOT of Outbacks sitting in inventory,and I think they just wanted to move it and get some cash for it. To geta better deal you might want to look for a dealer with a lot ofinventory of 2001 models, since the 2002 are coming out soon.A local dealer in the Philly area is advertising a new Outback for under$20,000, but I can't see how they would actually sell one for thatlittle (that's way below what they paid for it). It's probably one ofthose "sorry, we just sold it, but we do have this one for $24,000"deals.I don't know if it's universal or not, but in the states there is an added "advertising" charge(don't remember the exact amount) around 200 bucks they tack in there when you're not looking-DannyMake them remove it. You don't have to pay for them to advertise theirproduct. That's the cost of doing business for them, and they just have tosuck it up and pay for their own damn ads!Librarians have the power to hide your dissertation behind a pile of old Fieldand Stream magazines.
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